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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by zooma » Wed Jan 29, 2014 9:18 pm

zooma wrote:What solvent do you use Adam?

White Spirit any good?
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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by I.J. » Wed Jan 29, 2014 10:58 pm

In the case of Webley pistols - I find coffee with two sugars does the job and cant ruin accuracy even if it rots the rifling. :dance:

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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by Adam77K » Thu Jan 30, 2014 1:09 pm

zooma wrote:What solvent do you use Adam?
Hi Bob.

In terms of jollop to soak a pullthrough with I've tried the following over the years: normal mineral gun oil, WD40 :o , pellet lube (basically thin mineral oil), white spirit and Ballistol. I was very careful with the white spirit because I can see how it could seep into the gun's workings especially a SSP or PCP, but I would probably avoid it from now for this reason. In terms of effectiveness there wasn't much in it. My choice these days is Ballistol as it seems to shift muck, is thick enough not to seep into places it shouldn't as long as you are sparing, and smells nice.

Rarely but where I think it is warranted, (e.g. brand new guns to shift the factory grease or guns that have never been cleaned) I use the VFG kit with the bore paste and intensive felts. I then use the standard felts until they come out clean and finish with a couple greased with the teflon "Lupus grease". This is what the late Paul James used* and he was twice World FT Champion in the springer class.

The rest of the time it is just pull throughs with a few felt pellets to finish. I add that any cleaning is a fairly rare occurrence for me these days. It's just if I suspect groups are opening up slightly and I think the gun needs it.

*See this thread http://weihrauchowners.freeforums.org/t ... t6358.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The photo of first felt with the blue paste on, AFTER pulling through til apparently clean is quite an eye opener.

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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by zooma » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:03 pm

I.J. wrote:In the case of Webley pistols - I find coffee with two sugars does the job and cant ruin accuracy even if it rots the rifling. :dance:

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I am pleased to see the affection that you have for Webley spring powered air pistols - enough to share your coffee with - you are just a big wobbly softee really :lol:
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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by zooma » Thu Jan 30, 2014 2:38 pm

Adam77K wrote:
zooma wrote:What solvent do you use Adam?
Hi Bob.

In terms of jollop to soak a pullthrough with I've tried the following over the years: normal mineral gun oil, WD40 :o , pellet lube (basically thin mineral oil), white spirit and Ballistol. I was very careful with the white spirit because I can see how it could seep into the gun's workings especially a SSP or PCP, but I would probably avoid it from now for this reason. In terms of effectiveness there wasn't much in it. My choice these days is Ballistol as it seems to shift muck, is thick enough not to seep into places it shouldn't as long as you are sparing, and smells nice.

Rarely but where I think it is warranted, (e.g. brand new guns to shift the factory grease or guns that have never been cleaned) I use the VFG kit with the bore paste and intensive felts. I then use the standard felts until they come out clean and finish with a couple greased with the teflon "Lupus grease". This is what the late Paul James used* and he was twice World FT Champion in the springer class.

The rest of the time it is just pull throughs with a few felt pellets to finish. I add that any cleaning is a fairly rare occurrence for me these days. It's just if I suspect groups are opening up slightly and I think the gun needs it.

*See this thread http://weihrauchowners.freeforums.org/t ... t6358.html" onclick="window.open(this.href);return false;
The photo of first felt with the blue paste on, AFTER pulling through til apparently clean is quite an eye opener.
Thanks Paul,

I have heard good things about Ballistoil so I will try some myself.

Maybe I should order a supply of it and stock it in our shop alongside all the other target shooting accessories?

ATB - Bob.
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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by I.J. » Thu Jan 30, 2014 3:48 pm

If coffee and two sugars doesn't move it try Balistol. :shhh: Balistol is good but the smell is an, err :think: :whistle: ..... an acquired taste. :dance:

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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by Adam77K » Fri Jan 31, 2014 1:56 pm

I like it. A dab behind the ears and the laydeez can't resist... which is why I'm banned from buying any more by oor lass. :whistle: :lol:

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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by I.J. » Fri Jan 31, 2014 2:22 pm

I have heard that Balistol is fish oil based :roll: - that maybe explain why Im constantly followed by cats when I walk down the road. :doh:
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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by zooma » Fri Jan 31, 2014 8:39 pm

I.J. wrote:I have heard that Balistol is fish oil based :roll: - that maybe explain why Im constantly followed by cats when I walk down the road. :doh:

.....we thought it was your socks :lol:
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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by RobinC » Sun Feb 02, 2014 12:19 pm

The Chanel no.5 of gun solvents is Hoppes No 9. hmmmmmmmmmmm!

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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by I.J. » Sun Feb 02, 2014 4:42 pm

The 'Chanel No5' in the gun room for me isnt a solvent or an oil - but methylated spirits (used in de-greasing before blueing etc.) . :drool: Aaaaaahhhhh, I just love the smell. A quick wipe over for the gun and a quick swig out of the bottle for me! :dance:

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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by zooma » Mon Feb 03, 2014 11:35 am

Have we decided if Steyr barrels are plated or not?

My understanding is that they are NOT plated - they are made from stainless steel and this is not plated.

This makes a difference to the possible cleaning technique and for those that use "solvents" of any type
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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by RobinC » Mon Feb 03, 2014 12:05 pm

Hi Bob
Steyr Match pistol and Match rifle barrels are definately stainless, some of the sporting and hunter and FT barrels are other steels and nickel plated on the outside as a protective finish, I have never heard of any barrel that is plated on the bore and frankly could see no logic in doing so.
Modern barrels are either machine cut or button rifled, the finish and precision is key to its accuracy.

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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by RobinC » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:04 pm

I dropped an email to my contact at Steyr in Erntshoffen to confirm and the prompts answer was:-

1. Yes, the match pistol and rifle barrels are made from stainless steel.

2. Yes, the Hunter and FT barrels are moly steel and nickel plated in side and out.

3. No, do not use gun solvents on either barrels.


My interest is only in match guns so I was incorrect and stand corrected on the FT and Hunters which are totaly plated, this would explain why if any one uses extensive cleaning on them they get out black, its the barrel they are wearing out as nickel is a soft metal!
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Re: Barrel Cleaning by Graham Freeman

Post by I.J. » Mon Feb 03, 2014 1:05 pm

Thank you for clarifying that. :clap:

Now, does anyone know for certain that stainless steel barrels need more cleaning than normal steel? :think:
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